I have stopped sharing portfolio details for quite sometime now because of the latest sebi where even for education purpose I can't use the live rates and has to be few months old rates
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Yes but I have stopped sharing any updates because SEBI has very strict guidelines on the same even when it is for education purpose only.
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Hi Shabbir, Are you making any changes to your portfolio? Didn't see much updates from you.
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I don't think so now the tariff things are on the roll back it will come to those levels. Yet fingers crossed. Still do nothing period is on going.
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Yes it would really be good to get the stocks at 5 to 10 PE. Do let us know when you find such stocks so that we can also research on those.
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If you pay a very high price then yes it can take a longer time to get back to your price but the better option is to get those good stocks at very cheap prices. I think the market will need to factor in the new reality of Tariffs and I think the market is still in its own way thinking relative but I think this is the time where the world order is changing. So don't be in a hurry to buy the dips and think about buying something at 5 to 10 PE. I am not saying these stocks but many good companies will collapse after the April to June quarterly updates and commentary.
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It seems a lot of stocks will take years to recover.
I have been bought a few stocks (all for long term)
Astral
Polycab
Godrej Property
CAMS
CDSL
CERA
Any stock that you folks are following, or you think is available at a very good price -
Exactly. Tax loss harvesting is more like click bait on social media. Ideally one should book loss and then buy back share that they plan to hold for the long-term and not otherwise.
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Thanks for the explanation.
Good tax Savings would be there but only if the loss is significant.
Also your conviction on the stock should be high.
And if the stock is good anyways, then it can compensate for the loss and recover nicely over long term in which case anyways you profit and pay lesser ltcg.
So my take is that yes tax loss harvesting is helpful but only to a small extent.
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Yes true but then lets do some calculation and it will help you.
Your purchase price is ₹100.
You booked loss at ₹70 and then repurchased the next day at ₹70.
So on the loss of ₹30 and saved ₹6 at 20%
Now your purchase price is ₹70 and the price goes back to ₹100 but takes one year's time. Now on the profit of ₹30 you pay ₹3.75 as LTCG tax.
However, if you had to pay back the tax at 20% at ₹100, you don't save anything but defer the tax payment. But because the stock can take longer time to reach to that price or you can wait a little more and then sell at ₹120 as well. When you have an arbitrage of saving STCG and then waiting to gain and pay LTCG is when you have benefits. Not otherwise.
Again, one can argue on the STT but we also have 1.25L as free slab under LTCG as well and so there is some saving for sure. However, saving on purely STCG and then paying STCG again doesn't make sense.
Similarly, saving LTCG and then paying LTCG doesn't make much sense beyond the 1.25L tax free slab. -
Also there are transaction charges on both sides, and one may not know the change in stock price that happens between the time you sell and buy again.
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Wouldn't it be the case that your acquisition cost reduce by the loss harvested, and then when you sell, you are actually paying a higher tax as the future profit will be proportionally high. (selling prive - lower proportion cost of acquisition)
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True but generally if I want to be holding a company for long-term, then I prefer doing tax loss harvesting for the short term and save 20% and defer the payment now and then pay 12.5%
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There was a very interesting information that I got to know yesterday about tax loss harvesting.
It is essentially a tax deferment exercise.
It is not that you save tax entirely but you defer tax to the next year. I did not know this.
Refer thisvideo, just the first part. Can ignore the second part of the video.
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A lot of portfolios of people might be in losses in this year. It may be a good idea to do tax loss harvesting to offset the taxes that you have to pay for booking profits in this year.
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Are you planning for tax loss harvesting?
https://support.zerodha.com/category/console/reports/taxation/articles/what-is-tax-loss-harvesting -
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